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Fischer: ‘Integrated reporting’ is a combination of mandatory financial and non-financial information as well as voluntarily selected non-financial factors to communicate a company’s value creation potential in a concise manner. BMW has prepared an integrated report for the first time for fiscal year 2020. What prompted you to do this?
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Zipse: If you’re an entrepreneur, you have to build up trust and you have to make sure that the business works. There are two key ingredients. The first is: What gets measured, gets done—and that builds up trust. If you walk your talk, you set specific targets and measure them. Trust is even higher when it builds upon full transparency. The second ingredient is to make sure you set the right goals. An organisation needs direction and trust in its leadership. So we thought it was a good time to bring together financial targets and reporting together with our non-financial targets and reporting, which we have been doing for many years. It’s not a one-off for us. We started more than 20 years ago to set a greater number of concrete goals, make them transparent and report on them to the outside world. We have had a sustainability report since 2001 reporting on a wide range of measures.
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Fischer: I agree about the internal impact of reporting, but what about the external drivers? What drove your decision?
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Zipse: Society and the political environment are changing in such a way that the credibility they expect from you is based on proven facts. We are a pioneer in merging our two reporting formats—non-financial and financial reports—and making integrated strategy and reporting a part of our internal policy. We want to bring up external transparency in line with our corporate strategy. To date, this has been a real success story. But bringing them together was a bold step. It sounds easy, but it’s quite difficult. You have to be very precise about the quality of each measure. Since we have auditors, it is much stricter that what you report has to be correct. However, part of our philosophy has always been to take the next step, to act. Sustainability is becoming a cornerstone of our corporate strategy. It is no longer something you report on to look good. If you don’t act sustainably in what you do, you will quickly disappear from the market.
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Fischer: So instead of ‘sheer driving pleasure’, it’s now ‘sheer reporting pleasure’, so to say?
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Townend: [laughter] Not so long ago, we still had a very heterogeneous standard-setting world. Different standard setters, different focuses. Now, the world has changed enormously. We have seen, for the first time, the major standard setters outside the financial sector working together intensively. The EU has also taken up the issue of sustainability reporting. A major development at the end of 2021 was that the IFRS Foundation announced the formation of the International Sustainability Standards Board (ISSB), following strong market demand for its establishment. I think this development will give corporates a much clearer framework of what is expected of them and that it will ultimately lead them to what investors are looking for. Investors want to see companies set targets and report transparently on these targets because this makes their actions comparable with what other companies and competitors are doing.
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Fischer: You mentioned that you want to improve trust in communication. This is not an easy step to take: Creating these new reporting processes is a complex task. What are the main challenges compared to the purely financial reporting of previous decades?
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Townend: When it comes to non-financial reporting, you’re dealing with a large number of players within the reporting process. So it’s not just the accountants or the controllers and the euros. You’re dealing with a wide range of numbers that are more technical. There are also interdependencies between these figures. If you look at a CO2 figure in our non-financial reporting, it’s not just one person sitting at a desk calculating the CO2 figure. You’ve got to look at the cars we sell, the type of cars we sell. You’ve got links to the engineering department. A lot more players are involved, and it’s important that every involved colleague knows what the other one is doing. You have to work as a team. Last year, we had a long discussion about the responsibility for non-financial reporting. You have to make sure that the dependencies and the responsibilities are 100% clear. It’s about making sure that every single player on the team is running in the right direction and fully understands the implications of his/her role.
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Fischer: And in this team play, who is driving the process? Is it still the CFO?
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Townend: The CFO is driving the process, because what you realise is that we’re dealing with figures. They may not be euros, but they’re still figures. And if you look at which department within a company is really best placed to understand how numbers are consolidated, how an internal control system ensures the quality of those figures, it is the accounting department.
So, we have a very important role to play. But as I mentioned, the technical side of the figures—kilowatt-hours, CO2 or other aspects of the whole process chain—really requires experts. Among others, we work closely with Thomas Becker (BMW VP Sustainability, Mobility) and his team on the environmental figures. And, of course, we work closely with our colleagues in HR on the social metrics, the diversity metrics and the training and other metrics, as well as with the legal department on the governance issues.
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Fischer: You mentioned controlling issues and addressed them to a professor of controlling, so I always like it to get some references to my home turf [laughs]. However, at the end of the day, you have to come up with a profit figure—a return on investment. You have to pay dividends in the end. How difficult is it to select the right performance measures, the non-financial or the quantitative indicators, to explain the resulting financial performance?
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Zipse: Our transition to integrated reporting was made in anticipation of something that we believe is going to happen anyway. Look at the supply chain legislation in Germany: the German Act on Corporate Due Diligence Obligations in Supply Chains (Lieferkettensorgfaltspflichtengesetz). Look at the [EU] Taxonomy and CSRD. They all have to do with transparency—transparency for society and investors. It becomes mandatory to demonstrate that you are on a continuous improvement path in whatever you do. It’s not just about setting long-term targets. It’s about getting better every year in everything you do: CO2 emissions, water consumption, energy consumption, energy sources. What was the performance of our cars? How well trained are our employees? We want to see progress year on year. And this whole framework of integrated reporting is a good indicator that we are a good investment.
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Fischer: You are right. That is what reporting is all about: informing about the development of the business. Do you think that investors appreciate the integrated non-financial information?
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Zipse: Sustainability reporting is also an investment instrument. With integrated reporting, we can prove that we are not only a highly profitable but also a sustainable investment for the future. With our transparency, we have been able to demonstrate for many years that we are improving year on year on the most important environmental factors, such as energy consumption and all forms of resource use. For example, in 2021 and 2022, we significantly overachieved our CO2 emission targets set by the European Union for our new car fleet.
That’s just one factor that, if you don’t make it transparent, the outside world, the investors, may not even know that we are better than we are actually required to be. You have to be an attractive investment, an attractive employer and an attractive carmaker for customers—and that is the whole framework in which we operate.
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Fischer: So is integrated reporting then the end of accounting?
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Townend: [laughs] No, integrated reporting is the future of the accountants. Maybe it’s the end of controlling [laughing]. No, seriously, it’s definitely not the end of accounting. I think that integrated reporting is an integration of non-financial and financial reporting. Financial reporting must and will remain important in the years to come because financial reporting is about the reliability and quality of the company’s management. Management sets out to do something at the beginning of the year and reports on what it has done at the end of the year. How close it is to what was expected is an indication of how well the company has been steered and managed internally. The accounting policies can also tell you something about the management. Is it an aggressive management? Or one with more conservative accounting policies and more prudent management? And without cash flow, we can’t invest in the future anyway. So, I don’t think you’re going to move away from financial reporting.
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Fischer: Does the capital market perceive non-financial reporting in the same way as financial reporting?
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Townend: Non-financial reporting is now evolving to be on equal footing with financial reporting from an investor perspective. And the expectation around non-financial figures is that they will be derived and prepared with the same due process, care and attention to quality that we know from financial reporting.
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Fischer: That’s a crucial aspect: I am providing additional information to the capital market or to other stakeholders in order to build or restore trust. But we also know from empirical accounting research that additional information can be an additional risk. A stakeholder might say, ‘OK, now you are providing me with facts that I didn’t even know about, and now I see it in combination with, for example, cash flow, and it doesn’t always look like it’s going to have a positive impact’. What do you do as a company in this situation to achieve the results you originally intended? In a volatile environment, it is then a challenge for management to act reliably in the long term and to avoid myopic behaviour.
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Townend: You raise an interesting point about the number of KPIs to be reported. I strongly believe that it is better to report less than more, in line with the current legislation. They need to be clearly derived from our strategy. An integrated report shows what the company is doing and the ‘why’ behind it, and this needs to be derived from the integrated strategy. A link is also needed between strategy and the remuneration of the Board of Management. The risk of reporting too many figures is that you will end up with conflicts and figures that are difficult to interpret. It’s no coincidence that when rating agencies look at the same set of non-financial figures, they come to completely different conclusions about whether a company is a good or a bad investment.
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Fischer: So less is more?
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Townend: It’s very risky to start reporting too many figures because you might lose focus on what the company is aiming for. I’m very much in favour of principle-related guidelines because they give companies the flexibility that they need to differentiate themselves in their reporting. And I think that’s what investors need to know. They need to get a feeling what’s behind the figures. It’s not just a box-ticking exercise. It’s really something that is selling or reflecting the company.
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Fischer: A division into business segments would probably make reporting even more complex. But you mentioned the automotive segment as a whole, which brings me to the next topic of discussion: the EU taxonomy.
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Zipse: Good point! Let’s move on. The taxonomy is, of course, an important piece of regulation coming from Brussels. What is your assessment? Is it helpful for the development of the industry as a whole?
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Fischer: Well, whether it is helpful or not, I think that is still an open question and a debate that we cannot conclude here right at the moment. But it’s a very important topic that you’re raising, and one that has gained momentum over the last month or year. We now have different levers for reporting and also for disclosure when it comes to discussing the impact that a company has. We have a strictly microeconomic or even a segmental perspective in financial reporting and in the integrated report. And the issue that you have raised is more on a higher aggregated basis; so, for example, the discussion about the environmental or social footprint is not only done at the corporate level, but also at the sector level. And the interesting thing is that I also see emerging discussions—for example, among macroeconomic experts—that we need new KPIs, new metrics, to determine whether a business period was successful.
The acronym KPI, for example, is then translated as a ‘Key Purpose Indicator’. There is an initiative, the Value Balancing Alliance, which says, ‘OK, at the end of the day, you have the environmental footprint or the social footprint, perhaps in combination with cash flow or dividend payments’, but then it is all about the transformation of resources and the process of creating value for the stakeholders. That is coming more and more into focus.
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Zipse: Do you expect integrated reporting to become the standard for all industry players in the near future?
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Fischer: I’m not in the political arena, but the ISSB’s exposure draft of the practice statement for the management commentary, which was published in May 2021, is more or less written under the guideline of integrated reporting, even if I think they don’t use the term. But it’s implicit, so let’s say that integrated reporting is the guideline for the future. In addition, most of the financial statements and therefore the management commentaries, especially in Europe, are already prepared according to the IFRS. So, at the end of the day, I would say that, not too long in the future, integrated reporting will become a very important format for corporate disclosures.
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Zipse: We think so, too. In today’s world, you can only be an entrepreneur if you take into account all the resources that you use—social resources, environmental resources, financial resources and natural resources—because they are scarce and limited. I think the whole world is coming to the conclusion that you cannot have a market economy if you do not pay for resources or at least if you are not transparent about the use of resources. We feel that this is going to happen very quickly.
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Fischer: So, as you mentioned, it will be about using scarce resources as efficiently as possible, and then explaining the value creation process in the company more comprehensively than just going over the financial report. I am confident that perhaps, in the near future, we will be able to discuss the progress and the next integrated report that BMW will prepare.